Wed 27 Apr 2011
A Review by Curt Evans: BARRY FORSHAW — The Rough Guide to Crime Fiction.
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A REVIEW OF THE ROUGH GUIDE TO CRIME FICTION
by Curt J. Evans
BARRY FORSHAW – The Rough Guide to Crime Fiction. Rough Guides, softcover, July 2007.
The Penguin Group’s Rough Guides to literature is a smartly-presented series of pocket-sized guidebooks chock full of easily digested information on various literary genres. Barry Forshaw, who edits the Crime Time website, produced The Rough Guide to Crime Fiction [RGTCF], the series’ take on the mystery genre.
While this particular guide definitely has its virtues and can be recommended, the helpful reviewer (especially at a website like Mystery*File) must include a considerable caveat: the coverage of the Golden Age leaves quite a bit to be desired. Dare I say, it’s a bit rough?
The back of the RGTCF notes that “this insider’s book recommends over 200 classic crime novels and mystery authors.†By my count, 248 crime novels are independently listed, along with 21 authors who are specially highlighted. The first book listed was published in 1899, the last in 2007. Thus the 248 books are drawn from a time span of nearly 110 years. Here is how the nearly eleven full decades are represented:
1899-1909 3 books
1910-1919 3 books
1920-1929 4 books
1930-1939 12 books
1940-1949 14 books
1950-1959 11 books
1960-1969 10 books
1970-1979 9 books
1980-1989 16 books
1990-1999 25 books
2000-2007 141 books
Notice anything slightly out of balance here? Perhaps that 57% of the books listed come from the last decade? Or that two-thirds (67%) of the books were published after 1989? Or that 4% of the books come from the first thirty years, 1899-1929?
Barry Forshaw writes in his preface that his Rough Guide “aims to be a truly comprehensive survey, covering every major writer….It covers everything from the genre’s origins and the Golden Age to the current bestselling authors, although a larger emphasis is placed on contemporary writers.†This is a bit of an understatement, perhaps.
I would have no objection to this selective coverage, but for the fact that the book is offered as a “truly comprehensive survey†of this 109 year period. Let’s look at how the earlier decades, particularly those of the Golden Age, are covered, shall we?
First it should be noted that the listed books are divided into fifteen sections. It’s a mite confusing, since some are chronological, more or less, and some go by subject:
1. Origins
2. Golden Age
3. Hardboiled and Pulp
4. Private Eyes
5. Cops
6. Professionals
7. Amateurs
8. Psychological
9. Serial Killers
10. Criminal Protagonists
11. Gangsters
12. Class/Race/Politics
13. Espionage
14. Historicals
15. “Foreignâ€
You can see immediately how there is potential for overlap—and there often is (Hardboiled/Private Eyes). Then there are places where there isn’t any such overlap, though one would have expected it — Golden Age and Amateurs, for example.
The Golden Age was the Age of the Amateur, surely, yet the Amateurs chapter lists twenty books, only one from before 1957 (G. K. Chesterton’s The Innocence of Father Brown) and, indeed, only three (including Innocence) from before 1992.
Similarly, one might have thought that in the Historicals chapter there might have been room for Agatha Christie’s Death Comes as the End (set in ancient Egypt), John Dickson Carr’s The Devil in Velvet (set in Jacobean England), Josephine Tey’s investigative The Daughter of Time (concerning Richard III and the murder of the princes in the Tower) or one of the collections of Lilian de la Torre’s Dr. Samuel Johnson short stories; yet, no, of the 22 listed books, only three come from before 1990, and these are all between 1978 and 1985 (Ellis Peter’s A Morbid Taste for Bones, Peter Lovesey’s The False Inspector Dew and Julian Rathbone’s Lying in State).
It comes to appear that the later chapters mostly exist to provide more opportunities for listing more current authors. Indeed, one could rightly wonder, after reading this book, why the decades of the 1920s and 1930s are considered a “Golden Age†at all. The real Golden Age would seem to have dawned with the new millennium in 2000.
Only thirteen books are listed for the Golden Age:
Margery Allingham, The Tiger in the Smoke
Nicholas Blake, The Beast Must Die
Christianna Brand, Green for Danger
John Dickson Carr, The Three Coffins
Agatha Christie, Murder on the Orient Express
Edmund Crispin, Love Lies Bleeding
Erle Stanley Gardner, The Case of the Turning Tide
Patrick Hamilton, Hangover Square
Geoffrey Household, Rogue Male
Francis Iles, Malice Aforethought
Ngaio Marsh, Surfeit of Lampreys
Dorothy L. Sayers, Gaudy Night
Josephine Tey, The Franchise Affair
Again there is confusion. Is the Golden Age a period or a style? If a style, what are Hangover Square and Rogue Male doing there (couldn’t the one go in psychology, say, and the other espionage)? If a period, why do three of the books come from after the end of World War Two? Does Forshaw view the Golden Age as having lasted into the early 1950s — if so, why? It would have been nice to have some more depth here.
But, more important, Forshaw’s collection of Golden Age book listings seems ever so paltry. It will be recalled that fully 200 of the 248 listed books in RGTCF come from after the 1950s. Where are British writers like R. Austin Freeman (he’s not in Origins either), Freeman Wills Crofts, H. C. Bailey, Michael Innes, Cyril Hare and Gladys Mitchell?
And, damn it, where in hell are the bloody Americans?! It’s rather eccentric to find (if we discount John Dickson Carr) only one American, Erle Stanley Gardner — and this not for a Perry Mason but rather a 1941 Gramps Wiggins tale. In this book you will not find listings for Melville Davisson Post, Earl Derr Biggers, S.S. Van Dine, Ellery Queen, Rex Stout, Mary Roberts Rinehart or Mignon Eberhart.
One might almost conclude that the United States did not exist in the 1920s and 1930s, but for the presence of a slew of hardboiled novels by the usual suspects (Chandler, Hammett, James M. Cain, W. R. Burnett, etc.).
In a moment I found quite regrettable indeed, Forshaw writes: “The superficial ease of churning out potboilers attracted many hacks, such as the prolific but now little read Ellery Queen.†I am utterly baffled by this statement. How anyone who has read “Ellery Queen†in his best period, from the thirties to the fifties, can deem him a “hack†is beyond me (events after 1960, when the Ellery Queen name was loaned out, admittedly are more problematic).
If Forshaw thinks writing books like The Greek Coffin Mystery and Cat of Many Tails was easy, he should turn his hand to mystery writing immediately, because he must surely be a creative genius of the first order.
It’s emblematic of the low standing to which Ellery Queen has fallen that “he†could be treated in such a way. Not only were the cousins behind Ellery Queen (Frederic Dannay and Manfred Lee) great genre writers, they were most generous men who did much to promote mystery writing and genre scholarship. To me it seems rather a shame for a writer following in their footsteps to dismiss them in such a cavalier manner.
There are other omissions of which one could complain. No mention is made of Edgar Wallace and Sax Rohmer — hugely important figures in the history of the English thriller (they were even “bestsellers,†just like John Grisham, who is included here). They could easily have been fitted into the Criminal Protagonist or Gangster chapters.
Philip MacDonald is omitted, even though his brilliant Murder Gone Mad most certainly belongs among the Serial Killer tales.
Margaret Millar and Celia Fremlin are omitted in the Psychology chapter (and everywhere else, for that matter). To be sure, they are not as well-known today as Patricia Highsmith (listed for Strangers on a Train and with a separate info-box for her Ripley series), but they did fine work that influenced other writers in the 1950s though the 1970s and merited inclusion in a collection of nearly 250 books.
Julian Symons, the important and influential mid- to late-20th century crime novelist and mystery critic, is omitted as well; as are Symons’ excellent contemporaries, Michael Gilbert and Andrew Garve.
In the Origins chapter, Forshaw gives brief nods to Edgar Allan Poe, Charles Dickens and Wilkie Collins, but ignores Mary Elizabeth Braddon, Mrs. Henry Wood and Anna Katharine Green. These three women are in my view inferior to the three men, but they certainly should have been mentioned at least. (They have been subjects of quite a lot of academic scholarship of late.)
Many (though not all) of the omissions I suspect can be explained by the fact that the omitted authors were out of print when Forshaw was writing his Rough Guide. And that’s perfectly fine, really, but I think this point should have been conceded up front for the benefit of the less experienced readers who presumably are the Rough Guide’s target demographic, for such innocent neophytes may be considerably misled, with potentially baneful results, in that they will not learn of many good writers or not see good writers at their best.
Ruth Rendell, for example, gets three listings, all for three novels published after 2000. I have read two of them, The Babes in the Wood and The Rottweiler, and in my view they are in no way anywhere comparable to the author’s best work from, say, 1975 to 1995. Where in the world, for example, is A Dark-Adapted Eye or A Demon in My View or A Fatal Inversion?
Similarly, P. D. James gets a listing for The Murder Room and H. R. F. Keating for Breaking and Entering, both post-1999 novels and simply not their best work. (In a separate entry for P. D. James, Forshaw lists “the top five Dalgleish books†— confusingly this list omits the one James book with a full entry, The Murder Room, while including Innocent Blood, a suspense novel in which Dalgleish never appears.)
I have probably sounded quite rough on this Rough Guide, but it does have its rough patches. Nevertheless, the book has merit, especially for people mainly interested in recent crime fiction (especially that published between 2000 and 2007), for whom I think it can be recommended without qualification. There the coverage truly does appear to be “truly comprehensive.â€
I also should mention that I particularly enjoyed the Espionage chapter and that I thought Forshaw’s treatment of Hardboiled books superior to that which he gave the Golden Age detective novel. Perhaps the Golden Age needs a Rough Guide all its own!
April 27th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Curt has written a very interesting review. I like THE ROUGH GUIDE series and I’ve had fun reading them and finding fault with them. This review shows the problem with a short book about a complicated subject such as crime fiction. It’s impossible to do justice to the subject in two hundred or so pages. So much has to be left out or ignored.
April 28th, 2011 at 9:01 am
One of the big plusses of reading Guides like this is that no matter how much you know about a subject, somebody can always tell you something about it that you don’t know.
And it’s always fun, and fair game for sure, to come up with titles that weren’t selected.
But as Curt points out, this one is badly flawed in several respects, the most glaring being that for a “comprehensive” guide, over half the books came from the previous seven year period. Whether this was Forshaw’s idea, or the publisher’s, the book certainly does not live up to its billing.
Only one book by Agatha Christie? Whenever the general public thinks of mysteries, I’m sure she’s the one author everyone thinks of. (And Ruth Rendell gets three?)
To select Erle Stanley Gardner and then to choose a Gramps Wiggins book? Nothing by Rex Stout?
Omissions can’t be avoided. There’s only so much space that’s available. But to call the Ellery Queen cousins “hack” writers? I don’t think Barry Forshaw has anything to say to me.
April 28th, 2011 at 10:55 am
When I first saw this in a Borders years ago I flipped through it looking at the eras that still appeal to me. I burst out laughing at the glaring omissions and my eybrows raised more than once when I read the arrogant, snarky statements aimed at some of the real pioneers. I can’t even begin to understand the selections. It’s almost impossible to be comprehensive in a cursory survey like these Rough Guides. Even their travel books miss out on some real treasure spots.
Thanks, Curt, for once again showing that crime fiction seems to have usurped by the moderns and that the legacy of the Golden Age is fading into oblivion.
I thought earlier this year that the astonishing number of new book blogs dedicated to the Golden Age was a surreal event. I wondered for many months why such an explosion. I’m beginning to be more and more grateful that there are bloggers doing their bit to spread the word about just how good the oldies are and dispelling the myths by so-called experts who so easily disparage the past.
There are at least twenty new blogs started this year by people in the US, Canada, Netherlands, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Italy. And those are just the ones I discovered in the past three months. Thank God for people like Bev Hankins, TomCat, Sergio, Yvette, Patrick Ohl, and all the others who are still reading and writing about vintage mysteries and encouraging others to seek out all those writers who continue to languish in out-of-printdom. It may seem like a tiny contribution but I’m glad for all these blogs. At least this year the reading public is getting an overdose of vintage mysteries and can once again discover what richness there was in the Golden Age.
April 28th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
I’d really like to know on which grounds does Mr. Forshaw deem Ellery Queen to be a “hack” and his/their works to be “potboilers”. I’m also flabbergasted that he ignores Julian Symons, which is pretty ironic given that Symons was one of the most vehement (and talented) promoters and practicioners of the brand of crime fiction prevalent nowadays.
Is there a place for Gaboriau in the Origins section?
April 28th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Thanks, John, I do think we should all try to do our bit. Bloggers must step in where publishers fear (or just don’t care) to tread.
Here’s another example of the kind of thing that bothered me with this book.
There’s a chapter, as noted, called Professionals (attorneys, doctors, forensics and others). Well, if we’re really serious about comprehensively covering earlier periods, where is R. Austin Freeman Dr. Thorndyke, say, or Gardner’s Perry Mason? Since we don’t get Thorndyke or Mason in the Golden Age (or Origins for Freeman), this might have been a good spot for them, right?
Instead, we get Double Indemnity (insurance), two books from the 1980s (including Scott Turow’s Presumed Innocent), two books from the 1990s and nine from, of course 2000-2007 (including John Grisham, Patricia Cornwell and Val McDermid). So, once again, the focus is on the last dozen years or so; which is fine, if that’s what a person wants, except that I think the imbalance should have been made clearer.
As it is, it reinforces the incorrect notion that the Golden Age classical detective novel was an exclusively a rather twee British phenomenon (except for Gramps Wiggins and expat Carr) and that American just wrote hardboiled and pulp fiction. I think Forshaw pretty obviously prefers the latter (Jim Thompson and Cornell Woolrich both get three books listed, I think).
The book’s also clearly designed to promote recent fiction. It would have been better, perhaps, to have two guides, one to “classic” crime and detective fiction and one to modern.
April 28th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Xavier, no, Gaboriau is not mentioned. I was going to note that, but was focusing on the women. He calls The Woman in White and The Moonstone “the first instances of great crime novels.” Braddon’s Lady Audley’s Secret at least should have been noted (though Haycraft and Symons don’t mention her/it either).
The Gaboriau omission odd, because he does mention Balzac, Hugo and Zola and he gives Simenon two book listings and his own author info-box (so he’s not simply being Francophobic!). It may reflect the absence of translated paperback Gaboriau reprints?
On Ellery Queen, he makes another mention of them that makes it sound like he believes all their books were ghosted. I think he may have read something about the situation that developed in the 1960s and read it backwards over time. In any event, whether one is a big Queen or not, it’s quite wrong to label them hacks who wrote “potboilers.” This same charge of course is constantly directed at Agatha Christie, whom he defends.
April 28th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Oh, above that should read “Big Queen FAN”–not simply “big Queen.” I fear the latter could lend itself to misinterpretation!
April 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
While I personally think a Rough Guide to Classic Detective Fiction is a great idea, I don’t imagine that it would sell more than 600 copies.
John, I just don’t have time to follow all of the other mystery-oriented blogs that I’d like to, so I appreciate your telling us about all of the ones focusing on Golden Age material. Maybe I’m wrong about my pessimism in the previous paragraph!
I like to think that Mystery*File covers all of the various categories equally well, but looking at Forshaw’s 15 chapters, I can see one that isn’t: Serial Killers.
But there is a book that does cover Crime and Detective Fiction from Year One to the Present, and that’s Bill Pronzini & Marcia Muller’s 1001 MIDNIGHTS.
Unfortunately the word “Present” means 1986, and the two editors are emphatic in saying there won’t be another edition. But terms of covering titles and authors that Forshaw doesn’t, it can’t be beat.
April 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And a PS to Xavier:
1001 MIDNIGHTS does include Emile Gaboriau, with a fine review of MONSIEUR LECOQ (1868).
April 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
So the promotory leaflet is better called ‘A paid-for promo glimpse of SOME crime writing’ ,and certainly does not enlghten to the subject, as ,for instance, THIS blog, and others, by real afficionados, sharing different tastes ,rare authors, films, radio and TV- shows, and, and..
Reading through the years in this blog alone, following links given here, researching authors and books, and genres, mentioned here in the net, is a hundred times more interesting and objective, than wishiwashi- guides that promise everything, and keep zilch.
The good thing about older literature, especially crime fiction, is, that people are people, not politicians with a cause, effeminate men with a ‘murse’ (male purse), and other clinical cases.
Those are better left to textbooks for specialists, and those specialists themselves.
The Doc
April 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
This type of book is not meant for the experienced reader, but for the average reader who wants to know more about the subject without actually reading all the books.
Its much like Greatest ever lists or award shows, the more you know about the subject the less you respect the outcome.
When I worked at Tower Record, some of my co-workers were professional musicians. They found endless fault with the Grammys, but thought the Oscars were valid. I had enough experience with film and TV to know the best work in films rarely got noticed by Oscar.
Bias in these type books has exist as long as I have been reading. In the late seventies (1970s) I took a course at LSU on mystery fiction. It was nearly totally focused on the classics (the misnamed Golden Era). It took me reading on my own to discover Hammett and the true depth of mystery fiction opened up to me.
The limitations of these flawed books are what I expect when it is a normal human trait that all history began when you were born.
April 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Nowadays what it too frequently being done is this Golden Age bifurcation (by the way, I do accept the term “Golden Age” applied to the 1920s and 1930s, but only if it is applied to ratiocinative detective fiction in particular):
American: Hammett and Chandler
British: Christie, Sayers, Allingham, Marsh
I now you have to simplify things for surveys, but this division is used to create all these conceptual binaries (that American GA mystery fiction was “masculine” while the British was “feminine,” etc.) that are actually misleading.
If you really wanted to portray British mystery fiction the way it was between the wars and you had to limit yourself to four writers, you would keep Christie and Sayers, but exchange Allingham and Marsh for a couple replacements, maybe Carr and Crofts, say. At least that would help limit the redundancy of the dashing aristocratic gentleman detective.
Similarly for the US there should be a couple writers who don’t represent the hardboiled tradition, maybe Eberhart/Rinehart and Van Dine/Queen/Stout.
On the Forshaw book, I know a lot of people think the present is best, but having nearly sixty percent of the books coming from the last eight years of a 109 year survey I think would be difficult to defend from an intellectual standpoint, if the book really is supposed to be a comprehensive survey.
It’s not just the twenties and thirties that lose out here, it’s every decade before 2000, or, to an extent, 1990. The coverage of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s is sparse too (no listings for Symons, M. Gilbert, Andrew Garve, Margaret Millar, Celia Fremlin, Ursula Curtis, Ruth Rendell, P. D. James, H. R. F. Keating–the latter three all are represented for books published after 2000, the former by none at all).
I only now realized that Reginald Hill is omitted (also Robert Barnard) which must have been a slip-up, surely, not a deliberate omission (since 190 listings are from the post-1969 period, when Hill has been active).
April 28th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
I divide mystery into three periods.
Classic: Poe, Christie, Doyle, the Van Dine school. This period is where the mystery was more about the puzzle than the characters.
Pulp: Hammett, Chandler, Ross MacDonald etc. This was where the characters became the focus over the puzzle. More real than Classic but less of a challenge to figure out who done it.
Modern: Robert B. Parker, Michael Connelly, Donald Westlake, etc. This a group that mixes mystery and character.
Rex Stout is my choice as the missing link between Classic and Pulp. Craig Rice is my choice as missing link between Pulp and Modern.
No mystery fan who favors Chandler over Doyle would consider Doyle part of the “Golden Age”. Not if they define “Golden Age” as being the best time with the best work for the mystery genre.
Were thrillers, spy novels, comedy mystery, and police novels better in the 1920-30’s?
Curt-
I agree with your review and think you provided a valuable service in examining the flaws of the book. I also understand why the book has those flaws. Critics even pick on Otto Penzler for what he leaves out of the “Best” books. I do thank you for the warning not to waste my time on the book.
A question for all that is slightly off subject…
Ellery Queen is now on Kindle. I bought the short story HOUSE OF DARKNESS and found it almost unreadably bad. There are three novels available: HALFWAY HOUSE, THE DOOR BETWEEN, and THE DEVIL TO PAY.
What is the EQ fans here opinion of those titles? Are they a good example of Queen at “his” best?
April 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Michael
If I were to do a book on the mystery/detective novel, I’d carve it up two ways. Think of a two-way chart where across the top I’d have decades; then along the left side I’d have categories: detection, thrillers, spy novels, hardboiled/PI, psychological suspense and so on. Each decade would then be divided into boxes below (or subchapters) for each of the categories.
You could then read the book by decades through each of the categories; or by skipping from decade to decade, follow the growth and changes for each of the categories.
I don’t know if this makes sense, but at the moment it does for me.
Forshaw’s chapters seem to be a combination of both, which from Curt’s review, he had problems with.
As for Ellery Queen, if you found “House of Darkness” bad, you might want to stay away from his short stories. I find them varying all over the place, as if he/they were trying all kinds of new ways to create detective puzzles and not always succeeding. But if it was the writing style itself, you might want to stay away from all of EQ’s novels from the 1930s. Pretty creaky at times and maybe overwritten by today’s standards.
Of HALFWAY HOUSE, THE DOOR BETWEEN, and THE DEVIL TO PAY, these all came later, and as I remember them, they’re about equal and can’t say I’d recommend one over the others. My own favorites: THE EGYPTIAN CROSS MYSTERY, THE GREEK COFFIN MYSTERY and THE KING IS DEAD, plus those he/they wrote as Barnaby Ross.
I don’t quarrel with the Forshaw’s statement, as quoted by Curt, that EQ is “little read” today. Tastes have changed and there’s no way to change them back, and you yourself may find all of the above as unreadable as that short story you tried. It doesn’t make their work “potboilers” nor the authors “hacks.” That’s pure snark there, or genuine ignorance. For most of three decades, Ellery Queen was, as Anthony Boucher is well noted for saying, “the American detective story.”
April 28th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Michael, first, I’m not really warning you not to “waste your time on the book.” It depends what you’re looking for. It’s better on hardboiled and pulp, though probably you know all about the authors discussed already. It’s by far best on works of the new millennium (I’ll freely admit I don’t know most of these new writers!). It’s also a attractively-presented book. The series is a good idea.
Also, any sort of book like this would be a challenge to compose, there being so much sheer subject matter.
The Ellery Queen short stories are, or at least used to be, highly regarded. Even people who didn’t like the novels (Jacques Barzun) liked the short stories. Some people think The Lamp of God is the single best short form mystery.
Symons praised the ingenuity of the early novels and liked the “realism” of the 1940s Wrightsville books (he thought the later books too fanciful and lacking the ingenuity of the early ones).
My favorite Queen novels probably are The French Powder Mystery, The Siamese Twin Mystery, but I haven’t read them all. Some people prefer later, more “crime novelish” works like Calamity Town and Cat of Many Tails.
I think of the Golden Age as the Golden Age of ratiocinative detective fiction, because ratiocincation is not taken nearly as seriously today as it was then. This doesn’t mean the Golden Age was objectively better, just different.
A truly comprehensive survey should alert books to important books in the history of the genre, regardless of personal preference. Even if you don’t like Crofts, for example, he was an important figure in the development of the police detective. Similarly, Ellery Queen was a very important amateur detective.
Now, if it’s a “personal favorites” book, that is a different matter, of course. I just take issue with the Rough Guide being labeled a comprehensive survey when it is so heavily tilted not just to post-1939 books but actually to post-1989 books. “Great Crime Novels of the Last Fifteen Years” would have been a more accurate title.
Books like Bill Pronzini’s and Marcia Muller’s 1001 Midnights (as Steve mentioned) and H. R. F. Keating’s 100 Best Crime and Mystery Books are more genuinely comprehensive over a period of decades and thus of more interest to me.
Steve, Ellery Queen still enjoys a following of sorts, but I’m starting to wonder how many people under fifty (besides myself) have heard of the guy! I recall having watched the Ellery Queen TV series when I was nine or something like that, so the character was always in the back of my brain somewhere, even though I never actually read him until the 1990s. But I wonder how many mystery readers younger than I even are aware who he is.
Of course, Queen was never as popular in Britain as in the US, but it’s still a surprising lapse on Forshaw’s part. Being oop does not necessarily mean one never had merit (Queen’s not entirely oop either; there are at least two EQ books in print, by Crippen Landru). Further, I think if Queen were reprinted, there might be a decent level of interest (at least comparable to Gladys Mitchell, say!).
The perception seems to be that the market for Golden Age mystery is almost exclusively female and that women won’t read a writer like Queen.
April 28th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Another thing: Mike Nevins of course is a great admirer of Ellery Queen and of Cornell Woolrich–so you can like both styles! Forshaw should talk to Nevins.
April 28th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Thanks for the comments about Ellery Queen. You saved me some money. I have read EQ in the past and not liked it, but want to try reading him again. I want to give him a fair chance and pick one of EQ’s best. While I am not a big fan of the puzzle mystery, I enjoy reading why others do enjoy the genre.
My favorite form of any book is one with wit and humor. My favorites of the puzzle genre would include Maurice Leblanc’s Lupin and Rex Stout’s Nero Wolfe.
Curt –
What do you think of Steve Hockensmith?
The e-book will make writers such as Queen more available for all readers to rediscover. Today, only a small publisher would consider reprinting EQ in paper, but a low budget e-book may be worth putting out. The fact someone is testing the demand for Queen on e-book should give you hope.
Steve –
If I was doing a book on the mystery, it would ignore decades since each genre grew and changed at different rates.
I would feature each sub-genre as a chapter. For example, the spy novel should be discussed as pre-war (LeQueux and Buchan) to war era (Graham Greene) to Cold War era (LeCarre, Deighton, Thomas) to modern terrorist era (Ludlum, Ballacci).
While the connection between the drawing room mysteries (Christie) with the modern cozy exists, using decades might not be the most meaningful way to illustrate the connection.
April 29th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Separate chapters for each of the sub-genres would work, there’s no doubt about that, but there’s a lot of overlapping between the categories that I think might be lost.
If presented that way, you could miss out on the feeling of what else was going on in the overall field of crime fiction at the same time.
Subject to change, perhaps 30 seconds after I post this comment, here’s what I might try:
1. 1840-1900, with separate sections for US and UK (and foreign).
2. 1900-1920, again with separate sections for US and UK as above, with commentary to compare and contrast.
3. 1930s on, by decades. Separating US and UK might no longer be the key, but for each decade, separate sections for (taking the 1930s as an example) 3A. Classical detection. 3B. Hardboiled (PI) fiction. 3C. Spies and adventure thrillers.
As the decades go on, add Psychological suspense as a sub-genre, perhaps beginning with the 1940s, then other categories as appropriate, as over time they become more popular and prominent (including hobby-oriented cozies in the 2000’s).
Michael, you’re quire right in pointing out that sub-genres grew and changed at different rates. But I think my approach would show that, by the number of books included in each of the chapter subcategories. The fewer the books listed in 1950s US spy fiction, for example, the slower the growth and the less interest in that type of story telling at that time.
This would be fun to do, no matter the approach, and I’d love to see someone (else) do it.
April 29th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Actually, what might be fun is a series of small books devoted either to your time lines or my sub-genre.
I would enjoy reading a criticial review of how (for example) the villain as hero grew from the early days of Maurice Leblanc and E.W. Hornung to Lawrence Block and Donald Westlake.
It would be also interesting to see what was popular and how it changed with each decade.
I find either way more interesting than trying to cover it all in one book or divide it up by author’s race or sex.
November 7th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
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