Thu 19 Dec 2013
COLLECTING PULPS: A Memoir, Part 10, by WALKER MARTIN: What To Do With Our Collections As We Get Older.
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What To Do With Our Collections As We Get Older
by Walker Martin
Recently, once again, the old question came up about why wives often hate book and pulp collections and what should be done as the collector gets older.
I can only speak about my own wife and collection but I have heard that many other pulp and book collectors suffer from the hatred of the non-collector. I stress the word “non-collector” because I really have found out during a half century of collecting that the non-collector does not understand the collector at all. I am not talking about a nice little collection of books in dust jackets that sort of look nice in the den.
No, I am talking about filling a house full of books, pulps, vintage paperbacks, DVDs, and original art. My house is a 5 bedroom house with a full basement and a two car garage that I converted into a library. All the rooms have books in them except for my son’s room and the dining room. The family room, the living room, the bedrooms, the basement, are all stuffed with my collection which I have happily accumulated since 1956.
I have found out that it is not reasonable to expect a non-collector to understand the joy and fun such a collection gives to the collector. Most non-collectors see such a large collection as clutter, a hoarder’s sickness, a mess, a waste of money.
If you tell a non-collector that something is worth a thousand dollars, they will say “great, sell it and buy a sofa” or something. I once did a series of posts on PulpMags called “The Loneliness of the Pulp Collector.” I tried to do it with a sense of humor but many other collectors saw my point about being alone with no one to talk to about what you are reading or collecting. My neighbors, my relatives, my co workers, all do not understand me or why I have such a large amount of books and pulps. They think my original cover paintings from the pulps and paperbacks are trash or offensive because most show women in peril or distress being threatened by insane cretins.
I am now 71 and don’t think about getting rid of my collection or selling it or what will happen after I’m gone. It’s been my life for so many years that I cannot imagine being without it. I keep telling myself that I should slow down and maybe stop but I’m still going strong and spending thousands on rare cover art and sets of magazines. I’m not rich but my one vice is I love reading and collecting books and pulps.
To give you an idea of the way I think as a collector, when I was discharged from the army I was so happy that I had survived, that I wrote out some life goals for myself to follow. The first two were to collect complete sets of Weird Tales and Black Mask. Which I managed to do in the 1970’s. In other words my goals were not the usual ones of getting a good job and starting a career, getting married and starting a family, buying a nice car house, etc.
True, I did all these things but my main goals have always revolved around reading and collecting books, pulps, paperbacks, and original art. Speaking of original art, I’ve been trying to stop buying it because I’ve filled up all the wall space and since I’m getting older, why keep buying, etc. But here is another example, recently while at the Windy City Pulp convention in Chicago I saw a beautiful and amazing piece of art, quite large, by Howard Wandrei. It is an unpublished work and cost more than I like to spend but it was so impressive and bizarre that I had to buy it.
Maybe you get my point by now. I’m a collector first and foremost and intend to keep at it until I die. I also happen to be a father, husband, retired from a responsible job, etc. But these are things that billions of other people have also done. Being a collector and reader is something special and unusual especially in these times of electronic gadgets, facebook, and twitter. For those looking to stand out in today’s digital age, gaining more Threads followers can help amplify their unique interests and connect with like-minded communities.
So, right now I’m doing nothing about my books except reading them. After I’m gone someone else will read and enjoy them.
OK, enough, I have to tell my wife that I just bought another set of Planet Stories, even though I have the Frank Robinson set already. See, his set is too nice to read and ….
December 19th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
If people just didn’t understand collectors it would be bad enough, but they often seem downright hostile towards us, as if we have personally offended them by having an interest in something they don’t care for.
I think it may be particularly acute in regard to books because it seems to infuriate many less literate people as if by accumulating so many books it was a personal affront and attack on their often invincible illiteracy.
At least that’s the only way I can explain the hostility and even anger some people show when confronted by books. We neither read nor collect to boast or show off, but some people still take personal offense.
Walker,
Hope you survived the Planet Stories skirmish. Small victories …
December 19th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
On the other hand wives fight a never ending war with collectors that has less to do with hostility to books, than a nagging suspicion they tend to reproduce like rabbits in the dark, and we might well move them and the children into a tent to create library room if we thought we could get away with it.
December 19th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I think you should have arrangements in place for the day — hopefully far off but nevertheless it will come, as it does for all mortals — when the collection WILL be sold. This should be in place well beforehand, as we have all heard horror stories of wives who have sold off very valuable collections for a fraction of their true value just to get them out of the house. Don’t let that happen to your family members.
Illness can strike with frightening rapidity sometimes, and hence the need to do this while you are well and able.
Live long and prosper!
December 19th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Walker, the only culturally responsible and spiritually rewarding thing to do with your collection is to give it to (ahem!)a deserving younger person to cherish — Preferably a man of wit and learning whose comments on books and movies you may have read and enjoyed.
December 19th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
David: I have a friend that was shocked and blindsided by his wife scheduling an intervention after dinner with a friend who happened to also be a therapist. They attacked him and almost convinced him that he was sick and needed medication to overcome his “sickness”. Fortunately, he told me what happened and I replied that they were sick, not him. His problem was that he was enthusiastic about books and pulps, while they were simply non-collectors without much interest in literary matters and history.
Which is worse? To collect and read too many books or to collect and read very few? I’ve obviously voted for collecting a large library.
I advise collectors to not take the insults about being a “hoarder”, etc. Go on the attack and push back at the critics. They are the ones with a problem, not the collectors!
December 19th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Keen Reader: Before the internet and sites like ebay, all collectors were aware of horror stories about collections being thrown away and discarded by ignorant family members. Now of course it is very easy for someone to go online or check ebay and see that the books have some value. My wife, despite her dislike of the collection, knows several of my friends and they will be contacted when I’m gone.
Serious and committed collectors, who have been collecting all their lives, just cannot say “Ok, I’m getting older and I think I’ll sell my books”. I know some have done this but I’m not one of them and all my friends just about agree with me.
I’ve seen collections come up for auction at the two big pulp conventions and this will continue as we all get older and start to disappear.
I’m reminded of a friend who built a big addition to house his ever growing collection. At the time he was in his middle 70’s and was amused because so many people were saying why bother since he was so old, etc. He lived many more years and his collection was a constant joy to him. His last words as he lay dying was a complaint about some books that he never got around to reading.
December 19th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Dan: I think I know the person you are referring to but you also bring up an interesting fact that I’ve noticed with young people. When I was alot younger, many young men and boys were collectors. As a teenager, just about all my friends collected something: books, SF, comics, baseball cards, stamps, etc. In fact, I collected all these things myself as a child.
However, now young men and teenage boys don’t seem to be interested in collecting such items, at least not on the level as the pre-internet days. Now they are fascinated and addicted to computer games and all sorts of electronic gadgets. Collecting seems to be going out of style. Many people are distracted by the social media such as facebook, twitter, and such TV series as the reality shows and singing and dancing shows. Sometimes I look at these shows and I realize the world is a very different place nowadays and I slide even further back into the 1900-1960 period that I love to visit.
On the other hand, I love dvds and such blogs as Mystery File, Rough Edges, Buddies in the Saddle, Pulp Flakes, etc. So I’m sort of in both worlds to a certain extent.
December 20th, 2013 at 4:45 am
My collection is much smaller than Walker’s. But I try to save it from the dust-bin when I am dead. I will try to donate my collection to a German archive for crime fiction which serves scholars and students for their studies.
December 20th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Atta boy, Walker!
December 20th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Book and pulp magazine collecting often is likened to a mania when in reality it is a passion. So few people have any passion in their lives — who are they to criticize and condemn? To hell with non-collectors and anyone else who wants to call us sick. I’ve had my own battles wtih my partner who at one time I jokingly called my enabler. “Any good sales this weekend?” used to be his cheerful Saturday morning greeting but no more.
I feel immense sadness for many of the people I see looking so vacant and blase on their commute to and from work. They stare out the bus or train windows doing utterly nothing while I dive into yet another book and visit a world far away from the digital madness than has turned most of our country in mind-numbed zombies. I know my passion for books has kept me young and curious and sane. But most importantly my passion keeps me alive.
December 20th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
In Comment #10, John says a few things that I’ve been muttering for awhile also. Concerning non-collectors, I’ve been saying to hell with them also, though I do give a break to readers and fans of film noir movies. Well westerns also! I guess there are all sorts of exceptions.
One of the reasons that I took early retirement almost 15 years ago was because I was sick and tired of dealing with employees that had no real interests. They went to work, ate dinner, watched TV and slept. Then the next day they repeated the cycle again. Over and over.
My feeling now is that by the age of 40, 50, 60, a person should feel some passion about something. Maybe books, a favorite author, art, old movies. Something! But so many people live empty lives, just repeating the same routine over and over.
I agree absolutely with John’s last sentence which applies to my collecting interests:
“…my passion for books has kept me young and curious and sane. But most importantly my passion keeps me alive.”
December 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Walker
John
Well said.
Books haven’t just been an escape for me they have also provided me with constructive and creative outlets that I think broaden me. I feel a connection with any collector of almost anything to the extent we do something other than that so called life non-collectors are always telling us to get.
I know too many people who have an existence, but only imagine it’s a life. An interest keeps you young, involved, and active, and in my case has led to some extra ordinary friendships.
And for all my kidding about it none of my wives ever gave me trouble about books. Granted I kept collecting in balance, and I was never at a bookstore when I was needed some place else. They understood the relationship between writing and reading, and actually took a little pride that I wasn’t just another guy living from beer to beer.
December 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Walker,
After reading your whining and self-serving post, I have to tell you all of my sympathy is with Eleanor.How she has ever put up with you for 46 years I will never know.You have taken over her house with your disgusting collection of rotting paper,spread pulp flakes over the bedroom ,clogged the bathroom drains with Black Mask remnants and in general coducted yourself like one of Robert E. Howard’s disgusting barbarians.
Digges
P.S. Please read this post to Eleanor.Maybe she will make me some more blueberry muffins.
Digges
December 21st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I’m afraid that everything that Digges says is true except I haven’t been married for 46 years. Only 43 years. He should know the real me since we’ve been collecting and fighting over pulps for more than 40 years now!
I think he is just in a bad mood because Eleanor gave him cranberry muffins instead of blueberry. By the way, Digges is my age and still collecting like there is no tomorrow.
December 21st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Walker,
You are what I want to be if I ever grow up. I’m only 53 and it doesn’t look like I will grow up any time soon. Recently I tried to sell some of my collection to help pay some bills after my two mini strokes, but there was no interest. Right now I decided to pack up the books I won’t be reading again soon so that I can have more room for the ones I want to read. What surprises me is that I am reading more with my tablet than I ever thought I would. It is amazing how many books you can download for free to read and how good they are. Most new books in print cost too much. I remember going to a new bookstore with $20 and able to buy about 6 books not too many years ago. Now I am lucky if I can buy two books.
I think we should have a place set up to accept donations of books, Pulps, comics, magazines, and digests to preserve them for others to enjoy.
December 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
I wonder which category of post elicits more comments from the readers, lists of whatever category (why didn’t you mention so and so?) or Walker’s ongoing (and hopefully never ending) memoirs? I expect the next discussion to focus on whether it is better to have the stuff or to read it. I know some people who have enormous collections but seldom read any of them — nor do they seem to intend to.
December 21st, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Ric: Actually there is a place to take pulps, magazines, digests. For 40 years I’ve had a table in the Pulpcon and Pulpfest dealer’s room. Usually, I price the magazines to sell because I don’t want to drag them around year after year. Last year I had a couple hundred WESTERN STORY MAGAZINES in the late 1930’s priced at $5.00 each and sold them all. I’ve done this many times with titles like SHORT STORIES, ADVENTURE, ARGOSY, DIME DETECTIVE, DETECTIVE STORY, and my entire hero pulp collection which I gave up on because they are so unreadable.
Selling on ebay can be a hassle but getting a table at Pulpfest or Windy City can be a lot of fun plus you get to talk and meet with other collectors.
December 21st, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Randy: I’ve always been puzzled by collectors who have enormous collections but don’t read the books and have no desire to read them. Why bother putting together a large library if you are not a reader?
I know some of these collectors and often see them at the pulp conventions each year. Many of them are so called “condition collectors” who only want fine or top condition books and pulps. They actually act shocked at the thought of reading and touching the things.
December 21st, 2013 at 10:46 pm
I have been buying pulps and pulp reprints since 1969, and see no reason to stop. I did stop for a number of a years, but I couldn’t resist getting back into collecting and reading the stuff. I don’t have that much room to store my collection, but I keep buying them anyway on my limited income. I guess I will leave it all to my younger sister or my two nieces, with instructions as to what to do with the mass of books and pulps. I certainly agree with what you have written here, Walker.
December 21st, 2013 at 11:42 pm
As Monte mentions above, once you are a collector, the urge to collect, the passion to build a library of your favorite authors or magazines, never really disappears.
I remember when I was just a young boy, my father was slowly dying of cancer, a process that took more than 3 years. He had always been dealer and collector of stamps and this continued even while he was dying of a terminal disease. The same thing with another pulp collector, Mike Fogaris. He had a serious stroke which disabled him and he spent almost the next 10 years lying on the couch in his living room. But he continued to buy and read books and pulps. His collection sustained him and made his final years livable.
December 22nd, 2013 at 8:42 am
Funny you should bring this subject up Walker as a couple of weeks ago my wife said something along the lines of “I was counting how many pulps, pb’s and books you have—have you ever thought of selling them”? I used the old guys defense and pretended I did not hear her. What the heck she accuses me of being hard of hearing (which by the way I am not) so I figured I’d take advantage of it. They are part of my life and there is no way I am going to part with them.
December 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am
From the initial post;
“Clutter” and “Mess”, if those words accurately define the non-collector’s issue, can be defended again: neat bookcases, and an orderly array of packed boxes.
The real problem is “Clutter” and “Mess” is usually code for “the wrong kind of stuff on the shelves”.
Or, more horribly, “that bookcase is hiding what could be a very attractive empty piece of wall”.
December 22nd, 2013 at 10:38 am
Barry, I’m so glad you realize that it is not a good idea to just cave in and sell your collection. I never take the advice of a non-collector because they just don’t know what they are talking about.
It has been my experience that it is usually the wife that starts hinting about selling the collection. Almost all pulp collectors are male; for some reason the vast majority of women have no interest in collecting magazines or vintage paperbacks.
What most wives forget is a simple fact about collectors. Yes, the collection may be too much, a mess, clutter, etc. But for most of us collecting is a way of life; it is part of who we are. Every now and then I run across a collector who has taken the advice of the wife or girl friend and disposed or sold off part of the collection. It nearly always has a bad result because as the years march on, the collector begins to resent and regret selling the collection.
It’s very hard for collectors and non-collectors to live together but the answer is not selling the collection. I have a friend who is very passionate about collecting men’s adventure cover paintings. He and I love the art but his wife, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, all hate the images. The solution? I advised him to build an addition or have a closed space where he could display his art away from the critical eyes of non-collectors and people who would be offended by the art. I mean not everyone can up with paintings showing Nazis partying with girls!
It’s the same thing with pulps. Most people don’t see the beauty of the things. Instead they see objectionable images, pulp flakes, a pulpish smell(which I love!), clutter and piles of old magazines(this is where many people start yelling the dreaded word, “Hoarder”).
To us, the readers and collectors of Mystery File, books and pulps are beautiful artifacts, one of best addictions ever. Imagine, this is an addiction and vice that is good for you! You might even make some money if you sell duplicates. Sure beats other addictions and vices like gambling, smoking, drinking, drugs, chasing women.
Unfortunately the non-collector does not see this side of collecting. They usually just want us to sell the stuff and get rid of it.
December 22nd, 2013 at 10:50 am
I like Richard Hall’s last sentence about bookcases hiding an attractive empty piece of wall. Many people believe this. I was recently over at a house and I saw a long stretch of wall in a large room completely empty. No paintings and no bookcases.
One of the great book titles in literature is Anthony Powell’s BOOKS DO FURNISH A ROOM.
December 22nd, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I envy you your ability to sell stuff at conventions, because having lived in NYC for most of my life, I never learned to drive. So transporting things to conventions is always a major problem for me. I actually used to hire a car-service taxi to haul me and my dozens of cartons of books to Lunacon to sell every year. I also used to have my printer ship magazines to conventions. Nowadays hotels charge lots of money to receive cartons, and it’s become very expensive.
Meanwhile, over the decades I’ve gotten rid of several bookcases, only to cover the resulting empty wall space with cover artwork.
So, Walker, wanna come to my apartment and relieve me of some of my collection?
December 22nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Hi Andy. I’m always interested in buying. I’ll contact you about a future visit.
December 22nd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Walker,
Thanks for the advice. I think Pulpfest 2014 I will have a table and sell several books, comics, magazines and Pulps cheap and replace them with them with what I haven’t read.
December 22nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
There are collectors and there are collectors and I suppose there’s room for all varieties. I only buy things I expect to read (even if I never get around to reading them after all). Recently a reviewer of a major bibliography of British boys papers asked the question “Who still reads these authors?” I have had an interest in boys papers for a long time and went to one corner of my basement and took out a volume that I intend to read over Christmas. I think the date on it is 1927, but that doesn’t really matter. It also doesn’t matter that I’ve read this particular title before.
December 22nd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Ric, I hope to see you at Pulpfest. I have never heard another collector regret attending the convention. You can’t go wrong with over a hundred tables full of books and pulps and close to 400 collectors in one room. My favorite type of people.
December 22nd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Randy: As you may know, another reader of the British boys papers is Digges La Touche. He is always eagerly reading them and talking to me about them, etc.
December 22nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Hi Walker! Merry Christmas and Happy Collecting New Year!
I have not yet had the privilege of visiting your home, but I have a list of more than 25 collectors I have visited over the years, all with well over 25,000 items! I truly admire the person who can ignore the comments of others and build a beautiful collection. I am still constantly adding to my collection of more than 35,000 books, paperbacks, pulps, comics, magazines and films! I could be your little sister, since I’m 6 years younger, and like you, I love the 1900-1960 period, with my specialty being the 1940s and 1950s.
As a newspaper reporter with more than 10,000 published articles in newspapers, magazines and books over 48 years, I can attest that the vast majority of people, alas, have little or no passion for any sort of collecting or expertise. On the other hand, I recently interviewed two of the world’s greatest collectors of tractors and antique axes! (Here in the far Northwest, that’s more typical than paper collections).
When I was 8 years old and in third grade, I was considered a “child prodigy” from the standpoint of reading and writing, and I began to collect comics and magazines. I haunted all the used-book stores I could find and I still do so, paying a quarter for 6 comics and a dime for old pulps. I read my first pulp, an Amazing Stores, when I was 9 or 10. I also would ask all the zillions of Baby Boomer kids in the neighborhood and at school to bring me all their old comics, so I could trade them 2 for 1 at the second-hand bookstores! I did this all the way through college (Bud Plant and I founded the first free-standing comic book store in America, in 1968. I met him at the second-hand bookstore!)
My third-grade teacher had a “rainy day comic book box,” I discovered during the first rainy day in 1956, and I soon realized there were dozens of pre-Code comics! So … I asked her if I could bring in two new comics for one comic in the box. “You are the strangest child!” she said with a smile. I told her about the second-hand stores. She was getting a bargain with new comics, in her mind, but I was getting Golden Age issues! I brought in a huge bag of comics and hauled out all the “oldies” from 1953, 1948, etc. So, am I born wheeler-dealer or what?!
Except for Bud Plant, whenever friends would visit me in my childhood and teen years, I would always be asked, “Why do you save so many hundreds of comics and magazines? You can’t possibly read them all!” But, of course, I did read them all! Not to mention complete sets of Nancy Drew, Judy Bolton, Rick Brant, Chip Hilton, and lots of other fun stories of mystery, adventure and sports. That was the beginning of a life-long love affair with genre fiction!
So, Walker, you know why I admire the few dozen people like you in the country. I’m proud to be in the “club.”
December 22nd, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Thanks Michelle, for your collecting background. I’m always interested in such stories. By the way, I’m eagerly looking forward to your McFarland book on the sport pulps. This is an area that has been criminally ignored by scholars. Your original research will be of great value to collectors.
December 23rd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Walker: It has been my belief for some time that Digges is what we might call an omnireader, that is, he reads anything and everything and thus keeps the hobby alive!
December 23rd, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Randy: Digges does read just about anything. I’ve seen him read a Barbara Cartland romance and then follow it with a Executioner series novel. Among his closest friends he is called The Reading Machine.
December 23rd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
I think Digges was on a panel at Pulpcon when he saw someone in the audience with the latest Executioner book. Digges immediately stepped down and asked to check the title. Once satisfied he went back up on stage.
December 24th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Whenever Digges in on a panel, mayhem ensues. I explore one of his infamous panels in the Pulp Memoir “The Night Pulpcon Almost Ended in a Drunken Brawl”. It was over 30 years ago but Randy may have been there. The gruesome details are at: https://mysteryfile.com/blog/?p=21727
December 24th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
What Walker does not mention is that he was on both sides of the infamous panel brawl.On one side he was egging on the drunken pulp collector and on the other he was telling Harry Noble “lets you and him fight”
Randy as I was reading your post about British boys story papers ,I had to put down a bound volume of 1907 Boys Friend.Always glad to find a fellow collector of these long forgotten publications.
Walker,you really hit the mother lode with this article.I don’t recall any post with more comments.At least any post that did not start a life-long feud.Congratulations.
December 24th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Digges, What I am reading now is a bound volume of Frank Richards, _Bunter’s Christmas Carol_ collecting issues of The Magnet for 1927 and 1932 (only the first two are seasonal). I’ll have to check the link to that legendary convention. It may not have been you who checked on the fellow reading the Executioner, but it should have been.
December 24th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
It’s funny how we start off discussing what to do with our collections as we get older and end up with memories of the drunken brawl at Pulpcon. I guess it shows we still have some life as collectors. Makes a good Christmas story!
I’m also reminded of another incident at Pulpcon that almost turned violent. A collector threatened Bob Lesser over a pulp art deal gone bad and when Bob lodged a complaint at the Dayton police station he was told nothing could be done. They would not take action until after the violent act!
December 24th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
I checked the link and don’t think I was there at that Pulpcon — or I had discovered a cache of Nick Carters and was satisfied with that and couldn’t be disturbed.