Sat 24 Jun 2017
ADVENTURES IN COLLECTING: Book Hunting in the United Kingdom, by Walker Martin.
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BOOK HUNTING IN THE UNITED KINGDOM
by Walker Martin
For two glorious, insane, and busy weeks I’ve been on the trip of a lifetime. The adventure started May 31, 2017, when I boarded the Queen Mary 2 in Brooklyn, NY and ended on June 14, 2017, when I stumbled off the airplane at the Newark, NJ airport. At no time did I get more than five hours sleep each night and often not even five hours. But it was worth the trip because everything was free and paid for by a fellow book and pulp collector that I’ve been friends with for almost 50 years.
What do I mean by free? The entire trip was paid for, free seven day luxury cruise, free hotel rooms in London, free hotel in Hay on Wye, otherwise known as “The Town of Books,” free trains, free airplane tickets. In another words the only thing I had to pay for was my books, beer, and some food (the food was free on the 7 day cruise).
There were six of us on this trip and the total cost must have been over $20,000, or close to it. The story behind how all this came to pass is fascinating and began over 100 years ago when a young boy named Ollie Pendar decided to start collecting Cracker Jack baseball cards in 1914. He was born in 1905, so he was only nine years old and never dreamed that his card collection would finance a trip of a lifetime 100 years later.
He put together the baseball card collection by buying and eating boxes of Cracker Jack, each of which had a card as a prize. He obtained the official Cracker Jack Album and pasted the cards in during 1914 and 1915. There were over 100 cards of some of the great early baseball stars. This was back in the era when baseball truly was The National Sport, not like today when people flock to such sports as football and basketball. Shortly after Ollie went away to boarding school, and his mother packed them away in a box where they stayed for almost 100 years.
Now mothers are known for their dislike of baseball cards, comic books, stamp collections, etc. They usually throw such collections in the trash, meanwhile chuckling with glee and sadistic happiness. That’s why these collectibles are so valuable and rare. Without mothers we would be drowning in piles of comics and baseball cards, all worthless because our moms did not throw them away.
But Ollie’s mom saved them and there the cards resided in the attic for the teens, twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. I’m sure Ollie and his mother forgot about them and did not realize they were sitting on a future fortune. Ollie lived a long life as an attorney and died at age 96 in 2002. His heirs did not open the box containing the cards until 2014 and before the Internet they probably would have been chucked into the garbage. But nowadays a simple google search on your computer, and you can see the cards are worth a fortune.
They have even been given a name: The Stockton Find. To make a long story short, the cards were auctioned off one by one and realized over six figures. Some sold for only hundreds each but some sold for thousands. I believe one card had a high bid of $26,000. There were three main heirs, and my friend got a third of the amount realized. I’ve known hundreds of book collectors, and I know what they would have done with such a windfall of money. They would have blown it on their book and pulp collections, spent it on themselves, maybe put it in the bank, or perhaps spent it on their favorite vices such as drugs, booze, or women. Or perhaps the collector’s wife would confiscate the money. I’ve seen it happen time and time again, so I know whereof of speak.
But my friend did not do any of the above. Instead he decided to spend his share of the money on a book hunting cruise and trip to England and Wales. I think it is now time to identify the generous collector who dreamed up this trip and paid for it: Everard Pendar Digges La Touche. His relatives, neighbors, co-workers know him as Pen, but book and pulp collectors know him as Digges. Since he retired as a Major from the Air Force and one of his favorite literary characters is The Major by L. Patrick Greene, he is often called The Major.
Behind his back we sometimes refer to him as The Reading Machine, but it is a compliment based on the character The Thinking Machine and the fact that Digges can read a book anywhere and any time except while in the shower. The only reason he doesn’t read in the shower is because the pages get drenched and he can’t read the words.
I should also introduce the five readers and collectors that Digges invited to go on this trip:
Nick Certo–Book dealer, art collector, and expert on conspiracy theories.
Richard Corcoran–Businessman, student of politics, and the youngest member by far of our little group
Scott Hartshorn–Book seller, art collector, and expert on film noir.
Ed Hulse–Editor, publisher, author, and the man behind Blood n Thunder magazine and Murania Press.
Walker Martin–Since I’ve filled up my house with books, pulps, vintage paperbacks, original art, dvds, and jazz cds, I refer to myself as The Collector. But others call me Percy, since I think Percy Helton was one of the greatest character actors ever filmed.
Unfortunately only three of the above could take the seven day cruise. The other three flew out to England seven days later, and all six of us met in London. I feel I have to say something about the cruise which was an amazing way to start off this grand adventure. I’ve been on a cruise before so I knew what to expect but this was a luxury cruise with everything first class. There were almost 3,000 guests and over 1,000 employees making sure that the guests enjoyed themselves.
I’ve never eaten such fine and excellent food for seven days. Breakfast, lunch and dinner were superb events where fine food and drink were served. The service was unbelievable. During the day entertainment such as plays, music, and all sorts of events kept us busy. At night there were several jazz clubs on board the ship.
I ate, drank, and gained ten pounds due to my gluttony. All the food was paid for already but I managed to rack up almost $400 for beer, gin and tonics, and other incidentals. It was a cruise to die for, and I probably would have died if it had been much longer! Also on this heavenly cruise were Digges and Scott Hartshorn.
When the ship docked, we met the other three collectors at our hotel in London and the six of us spent two days in the big city visiting museums, 221 Baker Street, several bookstores, Charing Cross Road, riding the subway system and eating and drinking in pubs. I loved the pubs, and now I wonder why the USA doesn’t have more of them.
The six of us in front of 221 Baker Street, the home of Sherlock Holmes in London. From left to right: Digges, Walker Martin, Richard Corcoran, Nick Certo, and Ed Hulse. Scott Hartshorn is peering over the top of Ed.
Digges and Ed in 221 Baker Street!
This shows four of us in the cafe of the Richard Booth Bookshop in Hay on Wye. Booth was the self appointed King of Hay On Wye. On the left are Digges and Ed Hulse. On the right are Walker Martin and Richard Corcoran. (Richard is the young guy.)
Here are Ed Hulse and Digges La Touche strolling between some buildings. The streets were narrow and the sidewalks very small. I was almost run over by a couple of speeding cars. What better way to die while hunting for books?
This photo shows some of the shops and bookstores. All these buildings are made to last and built of stone, unlike many houses in the US.
As we visited the bookstores I noticed a serious problem, mainly how the hell was I going to fit all the books in my luggage? Most bookstores in London and Hay on Wye did not want to ship the books to America. So when I saw a book I wanted, I usually made a note of it and figured I could probably buy it a lot cheaper in the US. Certainly that would solve my luggage problem and postage would be a lot cheaper. When I arrived back home I looked up several books on abebooks.com and sure enough they were available at far lower cost.
But there were still rare books that had to be bought! Most were in Hay on Wye, which is a beautiful little town of about 30 to 40 bookstores and perhaps a pub on every street corner. Our hotel in Hay on Wye was the beautiful Swan Hotel, and I recommend it highly. They had a great breakfast included with the room and two pubs. They also had a nice meeting room for us to hang out in between book buying. The staff was extremely friendly and seemed glad to see us, unlike the hotel in London which was disappointing to say the least.
Almost all the bookstores in Hay on Wye were of interest. We spent four days there which is ample time to investigate them. Richard Booth’s Bookshop and Cafe was the biggest and Murder and Mayhem the most interesting. But the one I found to be the best and most unusual was The Poetry Bookstore. It was a former ice house, and I spent some time in the basement where it was still chilly and very damp. It is the only bookstore in the UK devoted to books dealing with poetry. The main floor had many books on poetry, and the basement had hundreds of poetry magazines. I collect and read these back issues and have thousands in my own collection, but I still managed to find some back issues I needed.
About half of our group had no interest in The Poetry Bookstore, of course, but there were plenty of other stores to satisfy our bibliomania. Many detective novels were bought in Murder and Mayhem and Digges found some volumes of P. G. Wodehouse that he still needed. Nick being a book dealer himself, found several books for his own collection and for possible customers, including the exceedingly rare magazine The Outsider, containing poems by Bukowski. The three issues were priced at hundreds of pounds but I’m sure he got a good deal. I don’t collect Blackwood’s Magazine, but I found several volumes reprinting stories from the 1800’s on into the 1920’s and 1930’s.
There were plenty of books that were not rare, but we bought them to read. I was kept busy scribbling away titles and authors that I intended to look up in the US and order through abebooks. In addition to poetry magazines, I also collect literary or little magazines. I found a few oddball titles and managed to read several stories and articles in my room at the Swan Hotel.
Here is Ed Hulse again, this time in front of the remains of an old castle which is being restored.
Speaking of reading, what else did I read during the two weeks? In addition to poems and stories from the literary magazines, I read several tales from Blackwood’s Magazine, a collection of Robert Silverberg stories from his best period of 1970-1972, and a book of Philip Larkin’s poetry chosen by Martin Amis.
It seemed that this trip was full of funny events, one howler after another. But this is to be expected when a bunch of old friends get together for such a big trip and adventure. Let me pick out a few to give you a taste. They all involve literature in some form or another:
1. One of our group found what looked like a first edition of 1984 by George Orwell in dust jacket and in great condition. Only six pounds! Rushing up to pay for it, the cashier calmly said with a sneer, “You do realize this is the Dutch edition”. Needless to say none of us can read Dutch.
2. As readers and book collectors, we all know the power of a good story. No matter what our surroundings, we can lose ourselves in a good novel. This happened to me when my roommate started to brew coffee and almost set the room on fire in our London hotel. I was in bed, under the covers reading and noticed nothing until I heard loud cursing coming from the kitchen area. Looking up I saw a lot of smoke billowing through the room. But there was no sprinkler system or fire alarm! We managed to put out the fire and get a fan to blow out the smoke. A few days later I saw a big tower of apartments go up in flames on TV in London, and I totally understood that the British have different fire codes than we do.
3. This is a true story. Near the end of our trip as we started to realize that no one was going to ship all our books back to the US, we started to throw away our clothes in order to make more room in the luggage for books. It would be cheaper to buy a new pair of pants or a shirt back home, so we started to think about what clothes to throw away. All of us may have thrown something away to make room for books. I packed so many books in my suitcase that I broke one of the zippers. There still was one zipper that held the suitcase barely closed, and somehow it made it across the Atlantic on the airplane. When I unpacked it at home the zipper finally broke and everything spilled out on the floor. Close call! If it had broken in London or on the plane I would have been doomed.
There was one major disappointment for me. I used to have a complete set of London Mystery Magazine, 132 issues during 1949-1982. But in a moment of insanity I disposed of it for practically nothing. I checked with several bookstores in Hay on Wye and nobody had copies, in fact many did not even know what I was talking about. If anyone has a set or a large amount of issues, please contact me.
Peparing to leave the beautiful Swan Hotel in Hay on Wye. From left: Nick Certo, Scott Hartshorn, Richard Corcoran, Ed Hulse, Walker Martin, and Digges.
Digges and I on the train back to London from Hay On Wye. During the 3 1/2 hour train ride Digges read the entire trip while I pondered what beer I would order in the next pub.
And so ended our grand adventure. I’m still exhausted from very little sleep and I have some weight to lose. Also I miss the pubs! But I’d like to thank three people who made this trip possible. First of all my thanks to Ollie Pendar, who as a little boy over a hundred years ago was smart enough to be a collector. I’ve always said collectors are the best people in the world. Second, I want to thank Ollie’s mother. Unlike most mothers, she did not throw away the baseball cards!
Thanks also to Nick Certo and Richard Corcoran for the use of their photos. But most of all I want to thank my old friend Digges, aka Pen and The Major.
Beautiful skyline of Hay on Wye in Wales.
June 24th, 2017 at 6:11 am
What a great story! And what a generous friend! I envy you the trip, having been to Hay many times, starting nearly 40 years ago, when my late friend Bob Adey had to wrangle with Richard Booth to get us into some of the locked store rooms. Hay is always worth a visit.
June 24th, 2017 at 6:30 am
Jeff is right. If you collect books then you must visit Hay On Wye, the town of bookstores. This was Digges’ third visit and I know he would like to go again.
June 24th, 2017 at 7:15 am
Wow. What a book hunt, what an adventure!
June 24th, 2017 at 7:54 am
I stopped by a charming used book store in Yorkshire once. I was with my wife, and she wanted to see something else, so I asked the owner how late he was open and he looked insulted. That’s when I learned that over there, “Long” means “Late” and “Late” means “Tardy.”
June 24th, 2017 at 8:10 am
You are right Bill, it was an adventure, one that started over 100 years ago in 1914. The world was a different place then but it still had a big impact with collectors of baseball cards and book collectors in 2017.
June 24th, 2017 at 8:13 am
Dan, speaking of words and what they mean, since Hay On Wye is in Wales, I noticed some signs in Welsh. Some people still speak it.
June 24th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Hay is right – and I mean immediately – across the border in Wales. Depending on how you drive there, you can go across a bridge and you’re in Wales. My friend Bob and I (and another friend) spent the day of the Royal Wedding (July 29, 1981) – Charles and Diana – in the bookstores of Hay while our wives
wasted their timeenjoyed the festivities on television. I think our time was better spent.June 24th, 2017 at 9:54 am
“Rushing up to pay for it, the cashier calmly said with a sneer, “You do realize this is the Dutch editionâ€.”
At least they told you before you’d bought it.
Next time – if there is a next time – fly over, sail back. A friend of mine, an academic, has been coming over to England and gathering notes for a book from before computers were common, so all the notes are still in longhand. I meet them when they arrive at Heathrow and help take the notes to taxis and up the stairs to the flat she uses and then do the opposite when he goes back. There are about 10 – 20 lb more of notes every time they go back to the USA and we’re both getting older…
Francis Kilvert, the Victorian parson-diarist, lived in Clyro, near Hay-on-Wye.
June 24th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Jeff mentions wives and Mystery Files readers may have noticed that our group was comprised of 6 guys. Though there are women book collectors, they are in the minority and frankly would have been a distraction. My rule was books, books, and more books. At least for the two weeks!
June 24th, 2017 at 10:01 am
Roger in Comment #9 has a good point about flying over and sailing back. Airlines are charging more and more for luggage and a suitcase of books could cost $50 or more when you check it.
June 24th, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Very entertaining column! Thanks for sharing the adventure. And, thanks for the “Major” history. Learned things I did not know about Digges.
June 24th, 2017 at 1:09 pm
This column took a little more work than usual to cobble together for posting, but hopefully the seams don’t show too badly. (The photos and captions were added only after the column itself was written.)
But it was work I didn’t mind doing. I don’t think there’s been a post on this blog that I’ve enjoyed more in reading myself. Thanks for sharing your wonderful adventure with us, Walker.
June 24th, 2017 at 1:29 pm
Envy may be a deadly sin that better folk have forsworn, but when such a delightful adventure is so tastefully described, even the green-eyed monster must be taken for a run in the park!
June 24th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
Sheila, The Major is full of surprises and a master of disguise. During the trip Richard was calling him “Pen” and the rest of us were saying “Digges” or The Major.
June 24th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Steve and David, I’m glad you enjoyed reading about the trip. I know I enjoyed going on it and I felt the article would fit right in with MYSTERY FILE because it has a great membership of readers and collectors.
June 24th, 2017 at 2:24 pm
I’ve been meaning to write my own blog post about the trip, but other commitments thus far have kept me too busy to do so.
It was indeed a great adventure, and one for which I’ll be eternally grateful to the Major. Percy’s account is accurate, but he neglected to include a couple of observations I feel worth making:
1. The type of material in which we’re interested is in amazingly short supply “across the pond.” As a Talbot Mundy collector, I was hoping to find copies of the relatively few books of his never published in America. Between London and Hay-on-Wye, we visited 43 second-hand book stores — yet I was unable to find a single copy of *any* Mundy book, much less the few for which I was looking. Not seeing any in the stacks, I asked many proprietors if they might have any in their store rooms. Most of them said, “Oh, we haven’t seen any of those in years.” At least two had never heard of Mundy at all.
Several months ago I’d run into Otto Penzler and told him about the upcoming trip. He said, “Don’t expect too much. Those places have been pretty well picked over.” Subsequently I heard the same thing from several collector friends.
I had much better luck finding Edgar Wallace material, most of which I acquired at Murder & Mayhem. Even so, I found only one first edition in decent condition; the other EW books were reprints — Ward Lock paperbound editions and Hodder & Stoughton “yellowjacket” editions. But a handful of these were novels not published at all in the U.S., so I’m happy to have them.
I had some hope of finding British pulps and story papers. The half-dozen ’30s issues of THRILLER I scored at a Charing Cross shop were the only ones any of us found during the trip, although Digges picked up some issues of a story paper aimed at girls (proving yet again that he’ll read *anything*).
2. U.K. dealers of second-hand books, like their counterparts here in America, increasingly are giving up their brick-and-mortar locations to sell their wares on line. We found this to be true both in London and in Hay; the latter has seen the shuttering of nine or ten shops since Digges was last there, some 15 years ago.
June 24th, 2017 at 3:54 pm
As Ed mentions, he was disappointed in not finding any Talbot Mundy books that he needs and I found the same thing to be true when I asked about back issues of LONDON MYSTERY MAGAZINE. You would think that at least a few issues would be available but not a single one. I also was looking for some rare British pulps like HUTCHINSON’S ADVENTURE and MYSTERY but no luck. I guess the WW II paper drives in England got HUTCHINSON’S.
June 24th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for the latest installment of The Autobiography of The Collector!
June 24th, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Thanks Howard! I’ll keep writing about collecting as long as I keep getting encouragement from readers like you and others on MYSTERY FILE.
June 24th, 2017 at 4:48 pm
Sounds like you had an outstanding trip. You all have a special friendship!
June 24th, 2017 at 5:13 pm
I forgot to mention one of my oddest finds: the American first edition (McClurg, 1912) of BUCK PETERS, RANCHMAN, an early novel in Clarence E. Mulford’s Hopalong Cassidy saga. It was fairly well used but still sound, and I intend to buy a facsimile dust jacket that’ll cover the worn and soiled cloth.
June 24th, 2017 at 10:22 pm
Yes Maureen, book and pulp collectors do share a special friendship. Today I just learned that a big box of books arrived from England that we had shipped so we will be meeting again at my house in a week.
June 24th, 2017 at 10:29 pm
Sounds like an absolutely splendid time was had by all. Thank you, Walker, for your lively and affectionate account!
June 24th, 2017 at 10:55 pm
Boy, that was fast.
June 24th, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Book hunting with old and treasured friends. For a bibliomaniac like me with social anxiety disorder it sounds like a kind of unattainable paradise.
I always love your posts about collecting, Walker…
Thank you for them.
June 24th, 2017 at 11:44 pm
Thanks for your encouraging comments Rick. I’ve always said collectors are my favorite type of people. The six men who traveled on this trip are all completely different personalities but the love of books brings us all together. In this case we had a fabulous trip thanks to Digges and his uncle who set the whole trip in motion a hundred years ago.
June 24th, 2017 at 11:48 pm
As Ed notes, the box of books that we mailed in the UK arrived fast. Sometimes books take 6 weeks because they come by ship but often they arrive by air instead of surface mail.
June 25th, 2017 at 12:48 am
Great story, Walker!
June 25th, 2017 at 6:22 am
Ed’s comments (16.) don’t surprise me. We basically went book hunting in England every summer between 1978 and 2003 (with one exception), and towards the end noticed clearly that the older, rarer stuff was just not turning up the way it had in earlier years. Stores closed or shifted to newer books and the internet started making more and more inroads.
I’d seen Talbot Mundy and (especially) London Mystery Magazine in the ’80s, but not so much by the end.
June 25th, 2017 at 6:51 am
Richard and Juri: When I first heard this story about the baseball cards I thought it was a good story but then when Digges decided to take some of his long time book collector friends on a trip to Hay On Wye, then it became a great and unusual story.
June 25th, 2017 at 6:57 am
By the way, the only pulp magazines that we saw were SF pulps. We did not see any of the other genre pulps like westerns, detective, or general fiction magazines. The time might be coming when these also will be hard to find.
I recommend attending Pulpfest at the end of July in order to find genre pulps. The details are at pulpfest.com.
June 25th, 2017 at 10:39 am
I found this article to be very well written as well as an entertaining account of your trip. Those photos are priceless and I’m happy to hear that you all had a great time overall!
June 25th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Sherma’s help as the travel agent for this trip was very helpful indeed. Trying to coordinate the cruise ship, airplanes, and trains must have been a hassle, not to mention the hotels.
June 25th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Excellent continuing chronicle of The Collector and his Chums.
Even though a lot of “the good old stuff” has vanished from the shops, your comments remind me that if you do not see you cannot find. For years I was discouraged to go out and look in the book and record stores in my area, since I was finding almost nothing. By ‘area’ I mean places within a 100 mile radius. I need to emphasize the ‘almost’. Because it is possible to find things from time to time, but it won’t happen if you do not get out there and look! You never know what might turn up in the strangest places.
June 25th, 2017 at 3:07 pm
Plus even if we don’t find anything it’s still fun to look through old bookstores and hang out with like minded book collectors.
June 26th, 2017 at 12:28 am
What great stories!
Ah, where will I put my new books? How about there? Nope, it’s full. How about here? Yes…! Oh, wait, nope. So I’ll give some away, and have more space for new acquisitions. Yup. Yup.
We saw a fabulous house in Minneapolis, 9000 square feet, for only $1.7 Million. I tried to tell my wife we should buy it, but she demurred. Anyway, the commute from California is too long.
But if I were to go to the UK on a book-buying expedition, then surely I would find a place for everything I bought. Yup.
Still, dreams are dreams!
June 26th, 2017 at 7:00 am
When I moved into my present house back in 1989 I thought I would never have to worry about space for my book collection again. Plenty of space.
Well fast forward to 2017 and I’ve run out of space. In fact the shelves are so overloaded that they are collapsing. I just noticed a new pile of books on the floor in one of my rooms. The shelf, after years of service, just fell apart.
It’s a race against time. Will my bookcases outlast me or will I outlast my bookcases?
June 26th, 2017 at 8:10 am
Well, I’ve been avoiding reading about this trip because I’ve been green with envy since I heard about it from Scott, who sent me a message while you all were on the Queen Mary. Probably a good thing I didn’t know about the trip before you left because I would have found a way to stuff myself into one of your suitcases. It sounds like it was a fantastic trip and your write-up is terrific.
I’m curious as to what you thought of the number of bookstores on Charing Cross Road. I made a pilgrimage to Charing Cross several years ago, mainly to pay respects to the plaque that now is the only reminder of the book & movie 84 Charing Cross Road. I was struck by how few bookstores remain on the street.
Digges is a hero, not only for his generosity, but for also for putting up with the likes of all of you for two weeks. Just kidding. But he is seriously on his way to sainthood.
June 26th, 2017 at 8:39 am
Laurie, you would have loved this trip! The best food, lots of bookstores, and fellow book collectors. Not to mention that The Major was paying all expenses!
There still are bookstores on Charing Cross Road but not as many as I had been led to expect. The film is a classic and a must for any book lover.
We have the big van booked for Pulpfest and will see you there!
July 1st, 2017 at 5:10 am
Walker, what a grand adventure so glad I finally had the time to sit and savor your account of the trip. A collectors dream trip.
July 1st, 2017 at 6:59 am
A grand adventure indeed, Barry. One none of us would have taken except we were lucky to have Digges as a friend. It’s really amazing how this story spans a hundred years.
July 6th, 2017 at 5:10 pm
Great piece, Walker – I’m delighted you had a good trip and that your books made it home safely. 35 years back I did a coast-to-coast trip in the US and bought so many books I had to send five boxes by insured post to the UK – only one of which ever turned up!
July 6th, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Phil, another funny thing is that I went to the UK hoping to find another set of LONDON MYSTERY MAGAZINE but no luck. Not a single issue did I find. But I mention the magazine in this article and two possible sources have contacted me about selling me back issues.
It just goes to show us all the power and influence of MYSTERY FILE.
July 7th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
Belatedly reading this now, after the fury of the comments has died down.
I too have spent time in Hay-on-Wye, and was surprised to find my own stuff for sale there. But that was easily 20 years ago. And over recent years, so many SF bookstores, like Andromeda in Birmingham and Fantasy Centre in London, have closed. I was fortunate to get to London when Charing Cross Road was still loaded with bookstores.
In my current disdain for air travel, I’m thinking of taking the Queen Mary both ways in 2019, when the World SF Convention will be in Dublin.
July 7th, 2017 at 5:29 pm
I think taking the Queen Mary 2 both ways is the way to go. I’m sure you would enjoy the trip a lot more and it’s all first class.